Work #1679 · Posthumous (testamentary materials) period
The Sixth Grandfather
Raymond DeMallie's 1984 'Sixth Grandfather' — Neihardt's original 1931 stenographic interview transcripts with Black Elk
Heȟáka Sápa (Black Elk)
· 1931 interviews; 1984 edited publication
· Lakota (translated) / English
· Edited interview transcripts (posthumous, scholarly edition)
Tradition: Lakota traditional religion / North American indigenous religious testimony
DeMallie's 1984 'Sixth Grandfather' — Neihardt's original 1931 stenographic transcripts of his interviews with Black Elk
Published by University of Nebraska Press in 1984 and edited by Raymond DeMallie, 'The Sixth Grandfather: Black Elk's Teachings Given to John G. Neihardt' presents the original 1931 stenographic interview transcripts (taken by Neihardt's daughter Enid) from which 'Black Elk Speaks' (1932) was constructed. The transcripts contain substantial Black Elk material — especially on Lakota religion, the Ghost Dance, and Lakota history — that Neihardt edited out or modified in the published book. The Sixth Grandfather is the principal scholarly source for what Black Elk actually said in those 1931 interviews.
Author
Editions cited
- The Sixth Grandfather: Black Elk's Teachings Given to John G. Neihardt, ed. Raymond J. DeMallie (University of Nebraska Press, Lincoln, 1984)
School Embodiments
Major source for Lakota religious-philosophical content.
"Black Elk's own words — what Neihardt's daughter Enid actually wrote down." (Sixth Grandfather, scholarly framing)
Mysticism
14%
Strong mystical-visionary content from Black Elk.
"The great vision and the further visions." (Sixth Grandfather)
Major source for indigenous philosophy of religion.
"Lakota religious-philosophical content in the form recorded." (Sixth Grandfather)
Used in subsequent comparative-religious scholarship.
"Comparative-indigenous-religious context." (Sixth Grandfather, scholarly use)
Humanism
12%
Strong communal-humanist orientation.
"All things are related — central Lakota teaching." (Sixth Grandfather)
Historicism
16%
Strong historical-anthropological scholarly methodology.
"What was actually said in 1931, before Neihardt's editorial shaping." (Sixth Grandfather, DeMallie's editorial methodology)
Internal Tensions
Principal scholarly source for what Black Elk actually said in the 1931 interviews behind Black Elk Speaks.
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I. Time
1931 interviews; 1984 publication.
Attributes
Extent: Infinite
Ontological Status: Relational
Grain: Continuous
Freedom: Non-Deterministic
Traversability: Cyclical
Direction: Uni-directional
Dimensionality: One
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II. Space
Pine Ridge / Nebraska.
Attributes
Extent: Finite
Ontological Status: Relational
Curvature: Flat
Dimensionality: Three
Locality: Local
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III. Matter
Edited transcripts.
Attributes
Extent: Finite
Ontological Status: Substantival
Conservation: Conserved
Dimensionality: Three
Locality: Local
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IV. Observer
Black Elk via DeMallie.
Attributes
Time Instance: Multiple
Space Instance: Multiple
Knowledge Extent: Immediate
Knowledge Retainment: Total
Physicality: Both
Agency: Active
Number: Plural
Metaphysical Agency: Personal
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V. Energy
Posthumous scholarly-editorial energies.
Attributes
Extent: Finite
Ontological Status: Substantival
Conservation: Conserved
Dispersibility: Reversible
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VI. Information
Single edited transcript volume.
Attributes
Ontological Status: Relational
Cosmic Conservation: Conserved
Personal Conservation: Conserved
Granularity: Continuous
Personas that cite this work
Personas with the nearest attribute fingerprint
Historical figures whose own classification on the same six-dimensional grid lands closest to this work's. Computed by attribute-agreement on coordinates both address.
Computed school proximity
The work's attribute fingerprint scored against all schools using the same quiz scorer. Useful as a sanity check on the hand-curated embodiments above.
How The Sixth Grandfather resolves each dilemma
51 resolved positions across 4 dimensions, including 16 distinctive where the majority of schools go the other way · 6 unaligned.
Each dimension is sorted so minority positions come first. Mainstream positions are folded into an expandable list.
Time · 9 dilemmas · 3 distinctive
Persistence, the future, and the direction of becoming.
Distinctive · only 17% of schools agree
(35/202)
How much weight do future people deserve?
If a billion people will exist in the 25th century, do their interests count for as much as the interests of a billion people alive now? The answer turns on what kind of reality the future has.
Past, present, and future are bound in cycles — duties span generations as a matter of course.
On these views, time is not a one-way arrow but a structure of return: cosmic cycles, karmic cycles, the seasons, the succession of generations. To act now is always also to act for the ancestors who shaped your inheritance and for the descendants who will …
Roads not taken
Future people are as real as you are — and their interests count for as much. (47%) ·
Time arises from events or from a deeper substrate — the future is not yet. (32%) ·
The future branches — what we owe depends on which branch we create. (2%)
Distinctive · only 17% of schools agree
(35/202)
Is regret rational?
If the past is fixed and unchangeable, what kind of mental act is regret? An error, a duty, a lesson, a perspective on a moment that is still in some sense present?
The past is part of a cycle one keeps returning to; regret is one of the gates of the cycle.
On cyclical views, the past is not a fixed thing behind you — it is part of the ongoing structure of return: karmic cycles, cosmic cycles, the cycle of seasons and generations. Regret, on these views, is less about an unchangeable past and more about …
Roads not taken
The past is as real as the present; regret is a real attitude toward a real thing. (47%) ·
The past is not a thing now; regret is the present holding what is no longer. (32%) ·
Other branches exist; regret tracks roads not taken that are nonetheless real. (2%)
Distinctive · only 17% of schools agree
(35/202)
Do we owe extinct species something we cannot give them?
A species that no longer exists cannot be helped, cannot be consulted, cannot benefit. Whether anything is owed to it anyway turns on what kind of reality past beings have.
Past beings are part of the cycle; we owe them what we owe ancestors.
On cyclical views, the relationship to past beings — ancestors, lineages, predecessors — is structurally present, because past and future are part of the same ongoing structure of return. Extinct species are not categorically different from extinct human ancestors or non-yet-born descendants: all are part …
Roads not taken
Extinct species are as real as we are; they have standing. (47%) ·
Past species no longer exist; what we owe is to the present and the future. (32%) ·
Extinction is path-dependent; the species exists in branches we didn't take. (2%)
6 mainstream positions
Do you really choose?
The future is open and you are a genuine origin of it.
69%
Are addicts responsible for their addiction?
The addict could have chosen otherwise — that's why recovery is real.
69%
Should we hold AI systems responsible for what they do?
An AI without a free will is not the kind of thing that can be responsible.
69%
Is the universe running out of usable energy?
Time is unbounded but matter is finite; usable energy can fail without time failing.
47%
Are natural resources fundamentally finite, or only practically so?
Time goes on but matter is bounded; we are eventually constrained even with infinite time.
47%
Could we owe future generations more than is materially possible to provide?
Time is unbounded but matter is not; we can owe more across long time than the matter can provide.
47%
Matter · 7 dilemmas, all mainstream
Is the world created from nothing?
Yes — matter was created and is conserved as a real substance.
55%
Is the physical world fully real?
Yes — the physical world is fully real, mind-independent, persisting.
55%
Does matter have intrinsic moral standing?
Matter is morally considerable insofar as it is created or conserved good.
55%
What is money?
Money is a real institution with intrinsic features.
54%
What is a nation?
A nation is a real moral community with intrinsic character.
54%
What makes someone male or female?
Sex is a real biological kind with given content.
54%
Should we edit the human germline?
Human nature is a real biological kind given by reproductive biology or by creation; editing the germline transgresses what is given.
54%
Observer · 37 dilemmas · 5 distinctive
Mind, agency, and the knower's relation to the known.
Distinctive · only 9% of schools agree
(18/202)
What makes someone the same person over time?
When dementia hollows out memory, when a coma resolves with no recall, when you imagine being uploaded — the question of whether the surviving person is still you turns on what kind of thing the 'you' was to begin with.
You span moments — identity is a pattern that need not be located at a single now.
On this view, the observer is not bound to a single present. Identity is something that exists across moments — as a pattern, an ancestral line, a trans-temporal structure. Uploading, in this picture, is not a metaphysical impossibility but an engineering question; ancestors are real …
Roads not taken
You are your body — continuity is bodily continuity. (36%) ·
You are a soul — what persists through change is the non-bodily aspect. (29%) ·
There was never a fixed self to either preserve or lose. (14%)
Distinctive · only 9% of schools agree
(18/202)
Is the late-stage dementia patient still the person their spouse married?
Loss of memory, of recognition, of the cognitive patterns that made the person — does this end the person, or merely the person you knew? The answer turns on what makes someone who they are.
The person is the pattern across moments — diminished pattern, diminished person.
On this view, the person is constituted by a pattern extending across moments — memory, narrative, characteristic ways of being. As dementia erodes the pattern, the person is correspondingly diminished. What remains is real but is less than what was; the marriage to the person …
Roads not taken
Same body, same person — even when the cognitive pattern has changed. (36%) ·
The soul persists; the cognitive change is the body's, not the person's. (29%) ·
There was no fixed person to lose; care is owed to whoever is here. (14%)
Distinctive · only 9% of schools agree
(18/202)
If a teleporter copied and destroyed you, would you have survived?
The Star Trek transporter problem: a machine scans your body atom by atom, transmits the pattern, builds an exact duplicate at the destination, and dismantles the original. Whether you arrive at the destination or die in the scanner is the question; the answer depends on what you are.
You are the pattern; the pattern survives the substrate change. You arrive.
On this view, you are the trans-temporal pattern that has shown up in this body up to now. The teleporter preserves the pattern — destroys one instance, builds another — and the pattern is what matters. You step in and you step out. The fact …
Roads not taken
Different body, different person — you died in the scanner. (36%) ·
The soul accompanies the person; engineering can't transfer it. (29%) ·
There was no fixed you to either survive or fail to; the question is malformed. (14%)
Distinctive · only 13% of schools agree
(26/202)
Are the dead morally present to the living?
Ancestor veneration, intercession with saints, the moral weight of a promise made to someone now gone — these all presuppose that the dead are present in some sense beyond memory. Whether they are turns on whether an observer is the kind of thing that exists in a single moment or across many.
Observers span moments; the dead are present in a real (not merely metaphorical) way.
On this view, an observer is not located at a single moment but extends across moments. The dead, on this signature, are not gone — they are elsewhere on the same trans-temporal structure that you yourself occupy. Ancestor veneration, intercession with saints, the moral weight …
Roads not taken
Observers are bounded by their own moment, and no further agency makes the dead present. (44%) ·
The dead are present through divine memory, communion of saints, or ancestor presence. (35%) ·
From the standpoint of the One, the distinction between living and dead is conventional. (8%)
Distinctive · only 13% of schools agree
(26/202)
Is divine omniscience compatible with human freedom?
If God knows what you will do tomorrow, does your tomorrow-self choose freely? The classical problem of foreknowledge turns on whether the divine vantage stands outside time or inside it.
An observer can occupy multiple times at once; foreknowledge is not foreordering.
On this view, observers can in principle exist in more than one moment simultaneously — and divine omniscience is exactly the case of an observer occupying all moments at once. The future actions God 'foresees' aren't foreseen at all in the temporal sense; God simply …
Roads not taken
The observer is in time; foreknowledge across times raises real freedom problems. (46%) ·
The human observer is in time, but God's vantage is not — and foreknowledge is not foreordering. (33%) ·
Distinction of the One and observed time is itself conventional; the question dissolves. (8%)
26 mainstream positions
Does meditation reveal something genuinely timeless?
Meditation accesses a trans-temporal level the ordinary observer doesn't ordinarily reach.
13%
Does prayer change God's mind?
Prayer participates in a trans-temporal liturgy or communion; the question of 'changing the mind' misses the trans-temporal mode.
13%
Is environmental damage ever truly permanent?
Loss is part of cycles; what disappears returns in another form.
17%
Can a civilization recover from collapse?
Civilization rises and falls in cycles; recovery is structural to history.
17%
Does the second law of thermodynamics mean something morally?
Local entropy increase is part of a cycle; the moral category is participation in the cycle.
17%
Could causation work backwards?
Time is structured as return; 'forward' and 'backward' are local features of the cycle.
17%
Is the asymmetry between memory and anticipation a real feature of time, or just of us?
Memory and anticipation are phases of a cycle that visits both directions.
17%
Is the arrow of time a real feature of the cosmos, or only of how we describe it?
Within a cycle there is a direction; across the cycle there isn't.
17%
When does a person begin?
A person exists from conception — when a new being comes into existence.
54%
What is marriage?
Marriage has a given form — it’s a kind of thing we recognize, not make.
54%
What is our place in nature?
Active in a real nature — we cultivate, steward, transform.
48%
Should we colonize space?
Cultivating worlds beyond Earth is the next form of stewardship.
48%
Is genetic engineering of food stewardship or domination?
Genetic modification is cultivation by other means.
48%
Is reality fundamentally digital?
No — continuous divine sustaining act, the Tao that knows no joints, the One's self-disclosure.
44%
Are there indivisible units of experience?
No — continuous divine presence; consciousness is the unbroken witness.
44%
Is memory stored or reconstructed?
Held in continuous divine or ancestral remembering — neither stored discretely nor purely reconstructed.
44%
What happens to "you" when you die?
A soul continues into another mode of being.
37%
Can prayer for someone far away affect them?
Prayer reaches because God or a cosmic ordering acts on the prayed-for.
37%
Are coincidences ever more than coincidence?
What looks like coincidence is providence — there is no such thing as a real coincidence.
37%
Could an AI have a mind that matters?
No — minds are not the kind of thing we engineer.
30%
Do animals have moral standing comparable to humans?
Moral standing comparable to humans requires what only humans have.
29%
Could a fetal brain organoid in a petri dish be conscious?
Without ensoulment, an organoid is tissue, not a person.
29%
Does environmental harm in another country bind me morally?
Distance doesn't dilute obligation; communion of saints / divine relation spans the cosmos.
29%
Should we trust expert testimony when we can't verify it?
Defer to credentialed traditions; experts are the modern analog.
28%
Is religious revelation a real source of knowledge?
Revelation is the paradigm case of authoritative knowledge.
28%
Does an LLM 'know' the things it correctly produces?
An LLM has no soul to whom revelation could be addressed; the question doesn't apply.
28%
6 unaligned
Does history have a direction or meaning?
Schools split: 37% / 23% / 19%
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How is knowledge of reality produced?
Schools split: 25% / 17% / 13%
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Is salvation, liberation, or fulfillment individual or communal?
Schools split: 15% / 14% / 4%
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Is truth universal, tradition-bound, situated, or constructed?
Schools split: 65% / 16% / 10%
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What kind of religious-theological authority does the tradition recognize?
Schools split: 44% / 16% / 14%
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Who is the moral primary — the individual, the community, the cosmos, the class, or the species?
Schools split: 40% / 28% / 14%
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Information · 4 dilemmas, all mainstream
Is anything truly lost when someone forgets?
Information is conserved — the personal pattern is held even when an individual mind loses it.
39%
Does deleting your data online destroy something real?
Information at the cosmic level isn't destroyed; deletion only obscures access.
39%
Could the dead, in principle, be brought back?
The information that constitutes a person is conserved; restoration is in principle possible.
39%
Is forgiveness ontologically possible?
The offense persists ontologically; forgiveness is real moral work, but it doesn't erase what was.
39%