Persona #397
Philolaus of Croton
c. 470–385 BCE · Pythagorean cosmologist; first to displace the Earth from the centre of the universe
Number and harmony govern all things — the Earth moves, the centre is fire, and the cosmos sings
Philolaus of Croton (or Tarentum) was the first Pythagorean whose writings were publicly available — Plato is said to have purchased three of his books (Diogenes Laertius 8.85). His treatise "On Nature" is the earliest systematic cosmology in the Pythagorean tradition and contains two revolutionary ideas. First, that the Earth is not at the centre of the cosmos: instead, a "central fire" (Hestia, the Hearth of the universe) occupies the centre, and the Earth, Moon, Sun, five planets, and a "counter-earth" (Antichthon) all revolve around it — making ten bodies in all, the sacred Pythagorean decad. Second, that the cosmos is constituted by the "fitting together" (harmonia) of limiters (perainonta) and unlimiteds (apeira) through number. This is the first explicit mathematical ontology in Western philosophy: things are not made of water, air, or fire, but of structural relations expressible as ratios.
Key works
- On Nature, fragments (c. 440–400 BCE)
Declared Influences
Pythagoreanism 50%
Structuralism 20%
Platonism (Classical) 15%
Rationalism 15%
Pythagoreanism
50%
Philolaus is the principal written source for Pythagorean cosmology. His system of limiters, unlimiteds, and harmonia is the most developed Pythagorean metaphysics before Plato's Timaeus.
"Nature in the cosmos was fitted together from unlimiteds and limiters, both the cosmos as a whole and all things in it." (DK 44 B1)
Structuralism
20%
Philolaus's claim that things are constituted by structural relations (ratios, harmonies) rather than by material substrate anticipates modern structural realism and mathematical structuralism.
"All things that are known have number; for it is not possible for anything to be thought of or known without this." (DK 44 B4)
Plato's Timaeus and Philebus are deeply influenced by Philolaus. The limit/unlimited pair becomes the central metaphysical opposition of the Philebus; the mathematical cosmology of the Timaeus draws on Pythagorean number-theory that Philolaus codified.
"Plato, when he came to Italy, bought Philolaus's books." (Diogenes Laertius 8.85)
Rationalism
15%
The claim that reality is knowable because it is mathematical — that number is the condition of knowability — is a foundational rationalist commitment.
"For it is not possible for anything to be thought of or known without this [number]." (DK 44 B4)
Internal Tensions
Philolaus's system is tensed between mathematical abstraction and physical realism. The limiters and unlimiteds are abstract structural principles, but the central fire, the counter-earth, and the ten revolving bodies are concrete physical posits. Is the cosmos fundamentally mathematical or fundamentally physical? Philolaus holds both — number is not "about" a separate physical world but "in" things — and this double commitment is precisely the productive ambiguity that Plato inherits and tries to resolve with the Theory of Forms.
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I. Time
Cosmic time is cyclical — the revolution of the ten bodies around the central fire defines the basic temporal period, and the "great year" (when all bodies return to their starting positions) defines a cosmic cycle. Time is substantival (measured by real celestial motions) and deterministic: the mathematical structure of the cosmos fixes the pattern of events.
Attributes
Extent: Infinite
Ontological Status: Substantival
Grain: Continuous
Freedom: Deterministic
Traversability: Cyclical
Direction: Uni-directional
Dimensionality: One
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II. Space
Space is finite and bounded: the cosmos is a single ordered sphere with the central fire at its heart. The Earth is displaced from the centre — a revolutionary move. Space has a real curvature (the celestial sphere) and the arrangement of bodies is determined by numerical ratios (the harmony of the spheres).
Attributes
Extent: Finite
Ontological Status: Substantival
Curvature: Curved
Dimensionality: Three
Locality: Local
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III. Matter
Matter is relational rather than substantival: things are not "made of" a material element but "fitted together" from limiters and unlimiteds through harmonia. What makes a thing the thing it is, is its ratio (logos), not its stuff. This is the most radical mathematical ontology before Plato.
Attributes
Extent: Finite
Ontological Status: Relational
Conservation: Conserved
Dimensionality: Three
Locality: Local
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IV. Observer
The observer is an embodied soul, currently in a body as a kind of punishment or trial (the Pythagorean doctrine of transmigration is presupposed). Knowledge is mediated by number: we understand reality insofar as we grasp its mathematical structure. Observer knowledge-retainment is total because the soul transmigrates and carries its knowledge. The cosmic ordering principle — harmonia — is not a personal god but an impersonal mathematical structure.
Attributes
Time Instance: Single
Space Instance: Single
Knowledge Extent: Mediated
Knowledge Retainment: Total
Physicality: Embodied
Agency: Active
Number: Plural
Metaphysical Agency: Cosmic-ordering
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V. Energy
The central fire is the energetic source of the cosmos — it gives light and warmth to the revolving bodies. Energy is relational (defined by the dynamic interactions of limiters and unlimiteds) and conserved within the closed cosmic system. The reversibility of energy is implied by the cyclical cosmology.
Attributes
Extent: Finite
Ontological Status: Relational
Conservation: Conserved
Dispersibility: Reversible
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VI. Information
Number is the fundamental informational unit. "All things that are known have number" (B4) — information is substantival, discrete (number is inherently discrete), and conserved. Personal information is conserved through transmigration: the soul carries its mathematical-moral knowledge from life to life.
Attributes
Ontological Status: Substantival
Cosmic Conservation: Conserved
Personal Conservation: Conserved
Granularity: Discrete
Classified works
Works in the atlas that Philolaus of Croton authored or that draw on this persona's writings, with full attribute fingerprints of their own.
Computed school proximity
The persona's attribute fingerprint scored against all 208 schools using the same quiz scorer. Useful as a sanity check on the hand-curated influences above.
Philosophical neighbors
Other personas whose attribute fingerprint sits closest to Philolaus of Croton's — intellectual neighbors across traditions and eras.
85%
Speusippus — c. 408–339 BCE
27/30
77%
Zeno of Citium — c. 334–262 BCE
25/30
77%
Chrysippus of Soli — c. 279–206 BCE
25/30
77%
Porphyry — c. 234–305 CE
23/29
68%
Proclus Lycaeus (Proclus Diadochus) — 412–485 CE
22/30
65%
David the Invincible — c. 5th–6th century
23/30
64%
Origen of Alexandria — c. 185–253 CE
21/29
64%
Solomon ibn Gabirol — c. 1021–1058
23/29
How Philolaus of Croton resolves each dilemma
55 resolved positions across 4 dimensions, including 29 distinctive where the majority of schools go the other way · 2 unaligned.
Each dimension is sorted so minority positions come first. Mainstream positions are folded into an expandable list.
Time · 9 dilemmas · 5 distinctive
Persistence, the future, and the direction of becoming.
Distinctive · only 10% of schools agree
(20/208)
Do you really choose?
If the brain is a physical system and physical systems are governed by laws, then every choice is also a chain of causes — which raises the question of what was really left to choose.
Choice is real within a determined order — agency and determinism aren’t opposites.
On this view, the future is determined and you are genuinely choosing. Those aren't contradictory because the determination runs through you rather than around you: your reasoning, deliberation, and assent are the way the determined outcome gets settled. Choice is what it feels like from …
Roads not taken
The future is open and you are a genuine origin of it. (69%) ·
Choice is structural illusion — every event is fixed by the prior state. (10%) ·
Even if the universe is undetermined, you are not the chooser. (6%)
Distinctive · only 10% of schools agree
(20/208)
Are addicts responsible for their addiction?
Addiction looks from one angle like the textbook case of agency failing — a person doing what they don't, in any meaningful sense, want to do. From another angle it looks like agency at work in hard conditions. Which it is depends on what agency is.
The addict is genuinely responsible within a determined order.
On this view, the addict is acting within a determined order but is genuinely acting — making decisions, endorsing or resisting urges, seeking or refusing help. Responsibility attaches not because some uncaused choice happened, but because the addict is the kind of agent through which …
Roads not taken
The addict could have chosen otherwise — that's why recovery is real. (69%) ·
The addict's behaviour is the outcome of causes; 'responsibility' is a useful fiction, not a metaphysical fact. (10%) ·
Even if the universe is undetermined, the addict isn't the chooser. (6%)
Distinctive · only 10% of schools agree
(20/208)
Should we hold AI systems responsible for what they do?
When an autonomous AI takes an action that harms someone, the question of who or what is responsible — the developer, the operator, the model itself — turns on whether the model is the kind of thing that can be a responsible agent.
The AI can be a genuine agent within determined conditions — and therefore genuinely responsible.
On this view, what makes a being responsible is not indeterminism but the kind of process the being is. An AI that deliberates, considers consequences, can be given reasons, and modifies its behaviour on reflection is doing what responsible agency is, even if its underlying …
Roads not taken
An AI without a free will is not the kind of thing that can be responsible. (69%) ·
An AI's behaviour is fully determined by training and input; 'responsibility' applies if at all to its makers. (10%) ·
Neither AIs nor anyone else are the locus of free agency; the question is the wrong one. (6%)
Distinctive · only 18% of schools agree
(38/208)
How much weight do future people deserve?
If a billion people will exist in the 25th century, do their interests count for as much as the interests of a billion people alive now? The answer turns on what kind of reality the future has.
Past, present, and future are bound in cycles — duties span generations as a matter of course.
On these views, time is not a one-way arrow but a structure of return: cosmic cycles, karmic cycles, the seasons, the succession of generations. To act now is always also to act for the ancestors who shaped your inheritance and for the descendants who will …
Roads not taken
Future people are as real as you are — and their interests count for as much. (47%) ·
Time arises from events or from a deeper substrate — the future is not yet. (31%) ·
The future branches — what we owe depends on which branch we create. (2%)
Distinctive · only 18% of schools agree
(38/208)
Is regret rational?
If the past is fixed and unchangeable, what kind of mental act is regret? An error, a duty, a lesson, a perspective on a moment that is still in some sense present?
The past is part of a cycle one keeps returning to; regret is one of the gates of the cycle.
On cyclical views, the past is not a fixed thing behind you — it is part of the ongoing structure of return: karmic cycles, cosmic cycles, the cycle of seasons and generations. Regret, on these views, is less about an unchangeable past and more about …
Roads not taken
The past is as real as the present; regret is a real attitude toward a real thing. (47%) ·
The past is not a thing now; regret is the present holding what is no longer. (31%) ·
Other branches exist; regret tracks roads not taken that are nonetheless real. (2%)
4 mainstream positions
Do we owe extinct species something we cannot give them?
Past beings are part of the cycle; we owe them what we owe ancestors.
18%
Is the universe running out of usable energy?
Time is unbounded but matter is finite; usable energy can fail without time failing.
47%
Are natural resources fundamentally finite, or only practically so?
Time goes on but matter is bounded; we are eventually constrained even with infinite time.
47%
Could we owe future generations more than is materially possible to provide?
Time is unbounded but matter is not; we can owe more across long time than the matter can provide.
47%
Matter · 7 dilemmas · 5 distinctive
What stuff is — fundamental, relational, or appearance.
Distinctive · only 14% of schools agree
(30/208)
What is money?
The question of what money is — a measured store of real value, an agreed-on practice, a relational ledger of debts, or just a name we apply to many different things — sits behind every argument about inflation, cryptocurrency, debt, and the state.
Money is the ledger of obligations among real people.
On relational views, money is not a substance you have; it is a record of who owes whom what. Debts and credits are real because the relations they track are real — to kin, to community, to ancestors, to land. Money is the form this …
Roads not taken
Money is a real institution with intrinsic features. (55%) ·
Money is a social practice — its content is what we make it. (16%) ·
“Money” names a family of practices — the definition question is nominal. (8%)
Distinctive · only 14% of schools agree
(30/208)
What is a nation?
Whether a nation is a real moral community with intrinsic character, a constructed legal-political artifact, a web of kinship and shared history, an imagined community, or a conventional partition of a deeper unity — these are real ontological positions with sharply different political downstream.
A nation is the web of kinship, ancestry, and shared land that hosts a people.
On relational views, the nation is the relational fabric — extended kinship, ancestral inheritance, shared ecology, communal practice — that hosts a people across generations. Borders matter less than belonging; lineage and land carry the weight that political structures only ratify.
Roads not taken
A nation is a real moral community with intrinsic character. (55%) ·
A nation is a constructed polity — a project, not a discovery. (16%) ·
“Nation” names a family of practices imaginatively held together. (8%)
Distinctive · only 14% of schools agree
(30/208)
What makes someone male or female?
Whether sex is a real biological kind, a constructed social category, a relational identity, a label applied to varied phenomena, or a conventional distinction within a deeper unity is the ontological question the contemporary dispute about gender is mostly about.
Sex and gender are constituted by relations of recognition.
On relational views, identity is not a property a person has alone; it is constituted by the web of recognition the person sits in. What makes someone a man or a woman in any thick sense is the relations of kinship, community, ritual, and recognition …
Roads not taken
Sex is a real biological kind with given content. (55%) ·
Gender is constructed; what counts as male or female reflects practice. (16%) ·
“Male” and “female” are family-resemblance terms — no single essence. (8%)
Distinctive · only 14% of schools agree
(30/208)
Should we edit the human germline?
Whether human nature is a given biological kind, a constructed category, a relational achievement, a family-resemblance cluster, or a conventional distinction within deeper unity is the ontological question the policy debate over heritable gene editing is mostly about.
Personhood is constituted by relations of descent and kinship; germline editing reshapes the relational fabric.
On relational views, what makes someone a person is the web of kinship, ancestry, and community they sit in — not a property the body carries alone. Heritable editing intervenes in exactly this fabric: the lineage that ancestors handed on, the descent that descendants will …
Roads not taken
Human nature is a real biological kind given by reproductive biology or by creation; editing the germline transgresses what is given. (55%) ·
The categories we count as 'human' are emergent from practice; germline editing is a practice-revision like any other. (16%) ·
'Human nature' is a cluster term without a single essence; the editing question is empirical, not metaphysical. (8%)
Distinctive · only 16% of schools agree
(33/208)
Is the world created from nothing?
Creatio ex nihilo is one of the most distinctive Western-theological claims. Whether matter was created from nothing, eternally exists, or is sustained moment-by-moment turns on what kind of thing matter is.
Matter is constituted by relations; the question of 'from what?' presupposes substance.
On this view, matter is not a stuff but a patterning — the standing relations among things, ancestors, processes, and places. The creatio-ex-nihilo question doesn't quite arise, because the ontology has no slot for a free-standing substance to be created or eternal. What persists is …
Roads not taken
Yes — matter was created and is conserved as a real substance. (56%) ·
Matter is real but emerges from something deeper — neither bedrock nor created-from-nothing. (23%) ·
Matter arises and dissolves through cosmic rounds; neither created from nothing nor eternal. (4%)
Observer · 37 dilemmas · 5 distinctive
Mind, agency, and the knower's relation to the known.
Distinctive · only 7% of schools agree
(14/208)
Is reality fundamentally digital?
Pancomputationalism, Planck-scale quanta, simulation theory and Kabbalistic letter-mysticism all say yes — but for very different reasons. The rest of the atlas says no.
Yes — but divinely-discrete: divine letters, momentary cognitions, atomistic theism.
On this view, the world is at bottom discrete, but the units are not bare bits. They are divine names, momentary cognitions, karmic atoms, sacred letters — the elementary acts of a creating or ordering agency. Discreteness is real and fundamental, and so is the …
Roads not taken
No — continuous divine sustaining act, the Tao that knows no joints, the One's self-disclosure. (44%) ·
No — continuous fields, classical limits, analog deep structure. (36%) ·
Yes — bits, quanta, computational substrate. (13%)
Distinctive · only 7% of schools agree
(14/208)
Are there indivisible units of experience?
Whiteheadian actual occasions, Buddhist moments of mind, Kabbalistic letter-cognitions, IIT phi-units — or the unbroken Jamesian stream? The atomism of experience cuts across naturalism and theism alike.
Yes, theistic atomism — actual occasions, divine letters, momentary cognitions.
On this view, the atoms of experience are not bare quanta but agent-laden moments: Whiteheadian actual occasions in which subjectivity and the divine lure meet, Kabbalistic letter-cognitions in which divine names act, Buddhist Abhidharma moments of mind, tantric ksana. The discreteness is real and so …
Roads not taken
No — continuous divine presence; consciousness is the unbroken witness. (44%) ·
No — continuous Jamesian stream, phenomenological lived time. (36%) ·
Yes — naturalist quanta of experience. (13%)
Distinctive · only 7% of schools agree
(14/208)
Is memory stored or reconstructed?
Engrams and traces — or continuous re-narration each time you remember? The cognitive-science debate has a theological cousin: divine memory holding each hair, or the ancestors' continuous remembering.
Stored — in divine memory's discrete particulars, or in karmic-record units.
On this view, memory is held in discrete particulars by an agency: the Lord who knows each hair, the karmic ledger that records each act, the angelic scribe who writes each deed, the Kabbalistic letters that spell each soul. Storage is real; the storer is …
Roads not taken
Held in continuous divine or ancestral remembering — neither stored discretely nor purely reconstructed. (44%) ·
Reconstructed — continuous re-narrating, no fixed engrams. (36%) ·
Stored — discrete engrams, traces, weights. (13%)
Distinctive · only 14% of schools agree
(30/208)
When does a person begin?
The political question of abortion sits atop an older ontological one: at what point does there exist a someone — a being with moral standing — rather than merely the materials from which one will form?
Personhood is conferred by being-in-relation.
On relational views, person was never the name of a thing that exists on its own — it is the name of a node in a web of recognition, obligation, kinship, and ecology. The question of when a being becomes a person is the question …
Roads not taken
A person exists from conception — when a new being comes into existence. (55%) ·
A person comes into being gradually, as the capacities of a mind develop. (16%) ·
The question presupposes a fact of the matter that isn’t there. (8%)
Distinctive · only 14% of schools agree
(30/208)
What is marriage?
Behind every disagreement about how marriage should be defined is a prior disagreement about what kind of thing it is — a given order to be recognized, a practice to be negotiated, or a web of relations to be woven.
Marriage is constituted by the web of relations it creates.
On relational views, marriage is not a thing in itself but a node in a web — a configuration of obligations to children, extended kin, ancestors, ecology, and community. Its definition is what the network of relations is, and any attempt to specify it apart …
Roads not taken
Marriage has a given form — it’s a kind of thing we recognize, not make. (55%) ·
Marriage is a practice we shape — its content is what we make it. (16%) ·
“Marriage” names a family of practices — the definition question is nominal. (8%)
30 mainstream positions
What is our place in nature?
Embedded in a web — partners with the more-than-human world.
14%
Should we colonize space?
Colonisation continues the work that ended the wisdom of seven-generation thinking.
14%
Is genetic engineering of food stewardship or domination?
Editing the genome cuts into the relational fabric; we should be very slow.
14%
Who is the moral primary — the individual, the community, the cosmos, the class, or the species?
The cosmic-religious order is the moral primary.
16%
What happens to "you" when you die?
You were always a pattern. The pattern propagates.
18%
Is environmental damage ever truly permanent?
Loss is part of cycles; what disappears returns in another form.
18%
Can a civilization recover from collapse?
Civilization rises and falls in cycles; recovery is structural to history.
18%
Does the second law of thermodynamics mean something morally?
Local entropy increase is part of a cycle; the moral category is participation in the cycle.
18%
Could causation work backwards?
Time is structured as return; 'forward' and 'backward' are local features of the cycle.
18%
Is the asymmetry between memory and anticipation a real feature of time, or just of us?
Memory and anticipation are phases of a cycle that visits both directions.
18%
Is the arrow of time a real feature of the cosmos, or only of how we describe it?
Within a cycle there is a direction; across the cycle there isn't.
18%
Is truth universal, tradition-bound, situated, or constructed?
Truth is mind-independent, universal, accessible in principle to all.
66%
Does environmental harm in another country bind me morally?
Moral obligation tracks the relations one is in; distance does matter, structurally.
50%
Can prayer for someone far away affect them?
Prayer reaches because God or a cosmic ordering acts on the prayed-for.
38%
Are coincidences ever more than coincidence?
What looks like coincidence is providence — there is no such thing as a real coincidence.
38%
Are the dead morally present to the living?
The dead are present through divine memory, communion of saints, or ancestor presence.
37%
Does history have a direction or meaning?
History is not where the deepest truth lives.
36%
Is divine omniscience compatible with human freedom?
The human observer is in time, but God's vantage is not — and foreknowledge is not foreordering.
34%
Does meditation reveal something genuinely timeless?
Meditation participates in a real eternity — divine or cosmic — that the bounded human observer ordinarily cannot reach.
34%
Does prayer change God's mind?
God sees from outside time; prayer doesn't change God's mind, but it is part of how providence is enacted.
34%
Should we trust expert testimony when we can't verify it?
Trust expertise whose conclusions a competent mind can in principle reproduce.
31%
Is religious revelation a real source of knowledge?
Revelation is evaluable by reason — and not above it.
31%
Does an LLM 'know' the things it correctly produces?
An LLM can produce correct outputs but not reason to them; useful, not knowing.
31%
What makes someone the same person over time?
You are a soul — what persists through change is the non-bodily aspect.
30%
Is the late-stage dementia patient still the person their spouse married?
The soul persists; the cognitive change is the body's, not the person's.
30%
If a teleporter copied and destroyed you, would you have survived?
The soul accompanies the person; engineering can't transfer it.
30%
How is knowledge of reality produced?
Through a priori reasoning and conceptual demonstration.
24%
Could an AI have a mind that matters?
An AI’s standing is constituted by the relations it enters.
14%
Do animals have moral standing comparable to humans?
An animal's standing is constituted by its place in the relational fabric.
11%
Could a fetal brain organoid in a petri dish be conscious?
The organoid's standing is constituted by the relations of care around its production.
11%
Information · 4 dilemmas, all mainstream
Is anything truly lost when someone forgets?
Information is conserved — the personal pattern is held even when an individual mind loses it.
39%
Does deleting your data online destroy something real?
Information at the cosmic level isn't destroyed; deletion only obscures access.
39%
Could the dead, in principle, be brought back?
The information that constitutes a person is conserved; restoration is in principle possible.
39%
Is forgiveness ontologically possible?
The offense persists ontologically; forgiveness is real moral work, but it doesn't erase what was.
39%
Films Referencing This Persona (8)
Either directly referenced in the film, or reading the film through one of this persona's top schools.
Experiments Engaging This Persona's Schools
Surface via influence-schools that respond to the experiment. Each entry shows the school through which the connection runs.
The Rutherford Gold-Foil Experiment
A pleasing confirmation: matter is overwhelmingly empty, with discrete numerical structure (atomic numbers, integer multiples of *e*) doing the real ontological work. Number is more …
Brownian Motion / Perrin's Confirmation
Discrete number wins: matter is granular, with a definite integer ratio (Avogadro's number) governing macroscopic-microscopic relations.
The Photoelectric Effect
Another confirmation of nature's discreteness: energy comes in integer-multiple packets, not as a continuum. Number is fundamental to physical reality.
The Chinese Room
Mind is constituted by the right pattern of relations, whatever the substrate. A room implementing the right structure has the same claim to understanding as …
The Ship of Theseus
Identity supervenes on structural role, not material constitution. Whichever ship continues to occupy the structural position of "Theseus's ship" in the historical network is the …
The Double-Slit Experiment
Ontic structural realism: what is real is the pattern of relations the experiment exhibits, not the "particle" supposed to bear them. The double-slit is the …
Plato's Cave
The founding image: reality is hierarchical; philosophical education is the soul's ascent from shadow to Form.
The Ring of Gyges
The founding challenge to instrumentalism: Socrates' answer (justice is constitutive of soul-health) sets the agenda for two millennia of ethics.
Hilbert's Hotel
Actual infinity is mathematically real; Hilbert's hotel correctly describes its properties. The strangeness reflects our finite intuitions, not a defect in the mathematics.
Galileo's Falling Bodies
A model of how *a priori* reasoning constrains physics: no experiment is needed because the Aristotelian doctrine is internally incoherent. Mathematics and logic do the …
Descartes' Evil Demon
The demon is the methodological scaffolding for the *cogito* and for the reconstructive project of the *Meditations*. The argument is canonical; the reconstruction (via God) …
Buridan's Ass
Genuine reasons rarely tie at the level of resolution that matters; the case is artificial. Where ties do occur, indifference and arbitrary selection are themselves …